Dawn, that is every bit as great as you told me it would be. My cats hate Avril, too.

By implication, Princess Di was a talented woman of virtue who earned her wealth. Are you sure you want to stand that ground?

I have her on my sister's IPod. Some of her songs are good, but others make her sound like a whiny bitch (Sk8ter Boi). I can't believe she did than. My opinion of her just went totally down.

Maddy

contempt for one's fans is the greatest sin an entertainer can commit - so I agree with your assessment Dawn - thanks!

Dalena,

I did a little searching around based on your last post and I am not completely sure what you are trying to say. It seems like you may have some valid points but they are getting lost in between your obsessive use of all caps.

If you truly have a point and you aren't nuts, then feel free to email me, if there's a real story here, I will listen. If you are a nutball, please get some help, as I don't want you to hurt yourself.

Thanks EO and DJR!

Maddy, the saddest thing for a young person to discover is that their heroes(although Avril certainly doesn't qualify as one of your heroes - but you get my point) aren't always very heroic, sometimes they are just plain lame.

Ask me about Michael Stipe sometime, or Morrissey, or Trent Reznor and I will share my wisdom. Go forth young lady and beware of stupid celebrities fashioning themselves as role models.

FAR BE IT FOR ME TO DEFEND SPITTING - BUT YOU DO NOT OWN AVRIL OR HER CAREER.

She can do what she wants, attitude got her where she is, and there she will stay as long as people have her; there's no buts about it.
People who complain about the spitting have nothing better to do. BACK IN THE DAY spit from a PUNKER was a GIFT. I really don't care - but to use it to defend Paris Hilton - sheesh - go for a walk or something and clear your head.

No fair you make all these unfound complaints about PPPParis, who is great, and then you say NO PERSONAL ATTACKS ALLOWED. YOU MUST HAVE A THIN SKIN, PARIS IS TOUGH.

Anyone who is an entertainer owes it to the people who make them rich to be polite and nice she's eating on their money!

So, if Avrile whatever her name is sees fit to give everybody the finger, the logical thing to do is not to buy whatever music videos, music, or other entertainment items she and whatever managers her market shit she puts out.

Enjoyable article, Dawn. But isn't there anybody out there who is nice and likeable (aside from Paris Hilton)? Are they all pathetic fuckups? Is that what my generation (but not me) has raised for kids?

Have to disagree with you, Ruvy. In fact, I disagree with the whole premise that what celebs think, do, or say when they're "off the clock" should have any bearing on whether or not we plunk down money for their "product." I bought a new HP printer from Best Buy last week, and I did not bother to find out that the guy who sold me the printer is a rude driver and flips off fellow motorists routinely. I didn't take into consideration that one of the mid-level managers down at the HP printer division is a cold and unloving father to his two boys. I was satisfied with the product, and I was happy to pay for it. That's how it should go.

Lavigne should not be viewed as a charity case. She doesn't owe her fans a thing. She produces a product, and consumers should buy it or not depending on their wants and needs as consumers of the product. Who gives a damn whether she spits in public?

All in an ideal world, of course.

It really is apalling that fans fork over money because of an image that appeals to them, rather than (in this case) the music. And then they change their mind when the image becomes less appealing. That's why pop music is so screwed up. How about some decent music for a change?

Duane,

I'm gentleman enough not to bother a celebrity when he is off the clock. I had to keep my ex from making googly eyes at Howard Cosell (gives you some clue as to why she is my ex...), when we saw him at an expensive restaurant in Manhattan. I was unimpressed enough by some guy named Elliot Gould when he sat down next to me on the subway for several stops chatting up his party experiences in California, telling me what a wonderful place it was... It was only after I saw him the next night on Saturday Night Live that I got excited.

But that's me, and evidently that's you. But an entertainer relies on my (well, not my money - I don't buy anything) the consumer's money to live owes them in this imperfect world. And while we shouldn't bother these fine folk off the clock, we do, darn it. And since we made them what they are, they owe us. Otherwise, they too could be saying "welcome to Burger King! What can I get you today?!" like I did for 12 years...

Sorry to hear about the BK experience, Ruvy.

The thing I disagree with is that "we made them what they are." At least, I wish I could disagree with it. Like all professions should be, entertainment should be a meritocracy. The musicians that I respect and whose music I pay for worked their butts off to develop and nurture their talents. Some of them seem to have the gift of inspiration, and I'll pay for that, too. I worked my butt off to gain entry into my profession. I don't "owe" anyone anything (well, maybe my parents). I produce, someone agress to pay for the "product" -- that's it. The music business should be the same way, although I understand the need for publicity and marketing.

But it is unfortunate that "artists" like Lavigne have been "made." I don't know that much about her, but I'm sure that she appeals primarily to the teenaged girl market. In an ideal world, she shouldn't owe her fans anything. She has already delivered on her end of the bargain.

Cosell? Hehe.

Duane,

Sorry to hear about the BK experience, Ruvy.

Hey, dude, there is nothing to be sorry about. It was my second favorite job in the States. I was a manager and I got free meals - till I started keeping kosher...

But I've had to work damned hard to break ino the writing business - I guess here is not the place to make that complaint, eh?

Duane, have you read Shari's article about ethics? I'd be interested in your opinion of it.

To compare Avril Lavigne to Paris Hilton discusts me to no end. So many people misunderstand this girl its not funny, shes not a typical celebrity, Shes a rock chick with an aggressive attitude you dont want to mess with, well guess what, somebody pissed her off, and those poor fans just got caught in the crossfire, they should consider themselves lucky they have an autograph with Avril's two favorite words on it.
(by the way what so called fan carries pictures around just hoping to get an autograph, Ill bet they will go straight on Ebay)
and as for her apology, Im a member of her website and Id like to say I thought it was from the heart. Avril is not the kind of person to release an insincere apology.
Id also like to say
Ill buy her next album
Ill watch her music videos
Ill go to her concerts
just to zets people who express an uneducated opinion on a subject they know nothing about.

PS I wonder if it would be different if this were a guy rocker, like Billy Joe Armstrong from Greenday, what would we say about that, Ill bet nobody wouldve given it a second thought, just saying "well thats Billy"
Im saying "well thats Avril"
Society is more sexist than we think, and its all our fault.

I am not comparing Avril and Paris by way of talent, but merely their interaction with the public, and honestly I find it pathetic that anyone would defend another person spitting on people, regardless of any other circumstances. Somethings should just be beneath human behavior.

What's next, flinging crap like monkeys. Get a grip.

Besides, Avril's music is the lamest of lame, I'd rather listen to Paris Hilton moo like a cow, and I hate Paris Hilton.

Thanks for the tip, Baronius. I had missed Shari's article. Obviously, some of my comments could have been addressed to her post.

As Shari points out, the realm of entertainment as a battleground for ethical decisions is fairly trivial. Any stand that I might take against an artist based on political, ethical, or other factors amounts to no more than NOT buying the artist's product. Not much of a sacrifice on my part.

But I don't take stands against artists, at least not in public. If I like the music, I will pay for it, regardless. I suppose I have adopted my nearly black and white opinion based, in part, on my political superficiality. I'm more or less apolitical, and not especially proud of that fact. Also, part of the problem is that I'm lazy. It is inconceivable to me that I would expend the effort to KNOW the people from whom I purchase products. I used the printer as an example. If Joe Blow, the car mechanic, can do a good job fixing my car's water pump, I'll pay him to do it, regardless of the fact that he might be snorting coke every evening.

The situation that Shari points to is more difficult to deal with. Suppose I just happen to overhear Joe talking to one of his buddies about his collection of kiddie porn. Do I do business with him? Honestly, I would have to say "No." I would even go further and report him to the police. So, I guess I'm a little flaky. I can't say with any conviction that I have a strict code of ethics that I adhere to through thick and thin. There are always those annoying gray areas.

I guess my comments here were in the context of personal foibles. I would also include political and religious beliefs as being irrelevant to my purchasing decisions. Do I refuse to buy Dixie Chicks CDs because one of them was yakking away about Bush? No, I don't buy Dixie Chicks CDs because I dislike their music. At the risk of pissing off Dawn, I will also go see the next Mel Gibson movie, if I hear that it's good. I'm simpleminded in that way. If I had to stop doing business with every person that has uttered a bigoted or racist remark, I may as well move to the country and try to become self-sufficient.

What about you, Baronius?

duane,

In all fairness, Mel only pissed off his Jewish fans, but as an added bonus, he scored huge points with the anti-Semetic crowd, which seems to be swelling in numbers these days. Oh and those whacky Catholics like him too. So his fanbase is relatively secure.

All in support of my contention that entertainers should keep their big mouths shut about things unrelated to their work. Most of them do, or we would know things about all of our supposed idols that we're better off not knowing -- with the possible exception of Kate Bush. She is perfect.

... Mel only pissed off his Jewish fans ....

Ah, you jest, Dawn. See, this is the thing I don't get. So, anti-Semitics suddenly find Gibson to be a good actor, and his movies suddenly become entertaining because he started foaming at the mouth? Someone explain this to me.

Cool picture of Paris Dawn, keep em comming!

Duane,

I guess I was being sarcastic about the anti-Semetics liking Mel know more than before. The thing is, groups that hate people for no good reason are always happy when some idiot with perceived credibility supports their retarded views. They could care less about the person's other positives or negatives, all they see is a big mouth supporting their disgusting agenda.

You were certainly aware of that I am sure, but I just felt it needed repeating.

Duane - me? very political, kinda lazy. I can't imagine seeking out an entertainer's political views or personal habits. Maybe if some movie has an overt political theme I'll be curious. Otherwise, I only learn the things that filter down to me.

There can be an interplay between the artist's image and the works of art. In Avril's case, I get why 15-year-old tomboys would like her music. Avril Lavigne has to walk a fine line to keep her image up. I think of Tom Cruise as another example. He used to play the natural talent (pilot, bartender, lawyer) on the verge of a breakdown. Now that we've gotten to know him, those roles don't seem like a stretch.

If I know that a performer is a jerk, or if I disagree with his politics, I tend to avoid his works. I'm far from perfect at it. I know quite a few conservatives who avoid Disney products. In the case of a company, I'm fine with purchasing their decent products, and avoiding their indecent ones. But in a case like Robert Downey Jr., some portion of the profits from the most wholesome family movie may go to drugs. That's a deal-breaker for me.

Come on, isn't it obvious, that Avril's spitting was partly a PUBLICITY STUNT, to re-establish a bad punk rocker image!!? Well, it worked & got attention.

Furthermore, writing "FU*K you" to fans, who made her wealthy, is completely self-centered & immature.

You folks who defend Avril's behavior are BIASED because you would love to get in her pants. You know that's why. Well, she'd probably spit in your face, too. Then, would it be OK?

Avril isn't punk, she isn't even rock - she's a Canadian pop singer who uses guitars

i think that she changed after gettin' lots of money, popularity and her beauty.
she is wild but humans are the same...

Before she was a celebrity, Avril was a pretty good singer. When she became a celebrity, she started acting like one, albeit a poorly behaved one. Stick to what you know, girl, and what you're good at.

honestly i think that paris hilton is a freak and that avril was just being her, if her real self is rude and cruel som what? at least shes being hjerself not some fame-changed-lame-brain-who is only polite because they know that theres a freak with a camera everywhere they go, i think its better for people to say what they think, not what they think tyhe public wants to hear, yes i think that fame has changed her but wouldnt it change anyone who has to see cameras stalking them?

to the person who wrote this, no wonder you dont like her youre a cat person, and if your cat hates her, so what, i bet she hates you and your retarded snobby cat

i completely agree with dan #14, she is just being her- and she should!

i like #6 and getting your relatives to copliment your pathetic writting is just ... well excuse me for being repetative but, PATHETIC, now i suggest that you get a hobby besides insulting people that you dont even know!

to dawn 15,
So you do admitt that avril has talent!

to the person who wrote the article,
Avril Lavigne spits in public and you act like the world is dying, some random guy spits in public and you dont give a crap? And dont say something like "shes a celebrity and should set a good example" or soething, then thats just saying that it doest matter what the rest if us do and that we dont matter. my advice to you(weather you want it or not) is to SHUT THE HECK UP YOU FREAKIN AMERATURE!!!!!
ps just because people can hear(or read) what you have to say doesnt mean you should trash those who dont care what you have to say (aka avril)next time you need attention why not... oh i dont know, why not spit in public? And stop suking up to paris hilton!

Dear Ms.Dawn Olsen,
Who died and made you queen?

Wow, someone forgot their meds.

Re #32

At the top of the homepage the publisher of this fine site is listed. Notice any similarity in the last name?
No one had to die to make Dawn queen. lol

Yep Donnie, that's how things work around here. Exactly like you say.

I'm an Avril fan, yet I agree, she should not have spat at those paparazzi. It is impolite and ill-mannered. She did at least have the integrity of apologizing, not at those the spit was intended for, never the less she apologized. Going on about the incident and mentioning Avril's name with the talentless and highly irritating Paris seems childish and unnecessary to me, especially after she apologized for the incidents.

My personal opinion is that if a celebrity snaps twice in a career of four years at annoying paparazzi that won't let up no matter how politely the celebrity asks we can call that human.
Why do you think almost every other celebrity looses it when it comes to paparazzi? Are you really saying that almost every other celebrity are immature and whatever else you had to say so boldly of Avril Lavigne, a person who you neither know nor ever met in your life. That is of course every celebrity, but Paris Hilton. Nice, how could anyone take your opinion seriously with a quote like that? Even after you said you despise Paris?

Maybe people should start to talk about the paparazzo's behavior. Would you really defend someone who follows you around the whole day and photographs your every move? But no, they're not the bad guys, because that's just their job. Well, you know what? It's immature, rude and if you're not paparazzi against the law to follow anyone around all day long, when they have asked you to leave them alone every day for the past for years.

So, yeah, I forgive Avril for making two mistakes, I forgive her for being human just like the rest of us, and I thank her for giving me and the rest of her fans an apology that we never even expected in the first place.
Unless you've never made a mistake, you should apologize to Avril Lavigne for writing the things about her, a person you don't even know and judged because of these incidents.

If you need to know why an apology from your side would be necessary to show even an ounce of integrity, remember that you used words such as demented, witch, immature, assplugs, contemptible, parasitic, self-regarding, vomitus, bratty, disrespectful, rude, and cruel not to mention your weird little references to your cat and your most uncontrollable urge to punch a hole through the back of their skulls to show your hatred for her, this because she spat in public at people who was basically asking for it all along. I don't know if there is a saying like this in English, but in my language we say, "Don't play with the lion's tale". I don't think I need to explain that. If you work on someone's nerves constantly it's bound to snap.

I don't even expect you too apologize, I'm sure you will see that as admitting that you were wrong, which incidentally you were, but I know it's hard to admit, just as Avril did.
All I expect from you is too think before you write something like this in the future don't judge unless you know what you're talking about. You're not a celebrity and has never been stalked by the paparazzi, how do we know you wouldn't have reacted exactly the same or maybe even worse if placed in the same situation? I'm not saying you would have, but don't judge unless you know what you are talking about. Please.

PS. I've seen celebrities acting much worse than that, it seemed to me that she did everything very lightheartedly and playfully, doing everything with a bit of a giggle in her voice, just as a reasonable amount of alcohol consumption would do to every one. It just makes you a bit braver and more playful than you always is and should be when you're in the public eye constantly.

die warfreak die!!! shut your mouth! PHILIPINES ROCKS!!!! mabuhay ang pilipinas

i like avril lavigne. i like her voice.

die warfreak die!!! shut your mouth! PHILIPPINES ROCKS!!!! mabuhay ang pilipinas!

i like avril lavigne. i like her voice.. actually, i have a little crush on her. PEACE AND LOVE!

I agree,Maria! THINK BEFORE YOU ACT!

To the author ov this blog, I know,you know and we know that you don't know avril at all so isara m0 bibig mo! Namamarunong ka! [Personal contact info deleted] Viva las islas filipinas! 9/11 the philippine connection

Hi Maria. Avril is very lucky cuz she has a fan like you!

What? Veteran blogger? Are u kidding? I don't agree,man! Cuz she wrote walang kwentang article like this! Basura ang article na 'to. dogdammit! I forgot! I lost my headset! Malas talaga! Tanidana!

dawn that was genius! when i get famous im gonna sling my poo at the paparazzi, i dont think anyones done that yet... wholesome american human shit right from my butt... seriously though im nowhere near famous...yet.. but i already loathe those people.. helll ya to avril for being a viscious c**t to the paparazzi!!

Well id say wat avril did wz wrong..but wat could she do..if someone snaps pictures while your doin pee in the toilet you would do the samething or maybe worse than that..& about Paris..SHEESH..u didn get a more worst example??

I am a fan of Avril Lavigne, and even though she probably shouldn't have done that, I'd do the same thing.
There's a guy who I 've hatec for a year, but started following me everywhere and asking me out for a month. I have stabbed him with a fork, shoved gluesticks in his face (he's ellergic to gluesticks), and kicked him in the shin MANY times. And he's only been following me for a month!
Knowing what it's like to be followed, I'm surprised Avril was able to be so calm for so long. And it was only spit! I would've beat the paparazzi up if I were her!
o whoever made that comment about "only wanting to get in her pants", that's not true (for me, anyway). I'm a girl, and I hate the L word (stronger word for "like") so much can't even say it.

What a joke, I am reading the disclaimer "personal attacks are NOT allowed" So what gives you the right to write a whole article personally attacking Avril? Who made you god? The only thing that disgusts me is the papparazzi and idiots who have nothing better to do that write bullshit about people you don't even know. I don't blame Avril one bit for being human and having a bad day, I would get sick of idiots sticking their nose in my business everytime I went anywhere. I know many people who are friends with her and all I have ever heard is what a nice person she is, and how "she was raised right" so I think I will listen to people who know her over people who are that petty and rude that they spend their lives gossiping about people they don't even know.

My god, This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. Avril has talent and has every right to stick up for herself, just because she is famous doesn't mean the papparazzi should stalk, harass and bother her on a daily basis. It's obvious anyone can write what they feel these days without anything factual to back it up. Your rant is just lame, and you personally are one big huge hypocrite, since it says "no personal attacks" on your disclaimer, yet you think you can sit here and attack whoever you want just because they are famous.. it just shows what a moron you are.

And FYI Paris has to be "nice" to papparazzi, she has NO talent to speak off, if she wasn't nice to them she wouldn't have a "career"

This website is useless and so is your writing.

I don't see anything wrong with Avril lavigh. THat's all I've got to say!!!

i loveeee youuuuuuuuuu

Why would you defend some obscence, flemn shooting bitch. This is not the only time she has abused of people. Besides spitting at paparazzi, writing insults on her fans autographs, Avril enjoys many other activities as diverse as kicking a guy his the privates, to kicking a girl in her privates. She also adores flicking people off, and insulting her fans about "copying" her, and - the one she's best at - she loves to talk shit about other celebs she doesn't even know!

Avril is so brain-dead about pop culture that she said Courtney Love was a "great mom."
A good mother doesn't lose claim to hate themselves, doesn let some random black guy suck ob her tits, doesn't do heroin, doesn't hit her fans with a beer bottle, doesn't become addicted to drugs, doesn't flash her tits at everything with eyes and a dick, and a good mother especially doesn't not lost custody of their own child.
I think Avril talks so casually about things she doesn't know to sound smart. Wait, that's not right becuase I remember her saying, "It's not about me personally attacking people, it's getting them scared. I'm just freakin em' out so that I can seel the most records and stuff."
That's the only way to sell more records. It's not about being punk, or writing good songs, its about being a braindead, two-faced, hypocritical, megalomaniacal rude bitch!
This one time this guy asked her something about sex (I think he asked her if she was a virgin or if she wanted to have sex with him). She kicked him in the balls. Then she siad that she "doesn't usually handle things that way". Ok, so the guy offended her. I would have done it too. But come on, let's try to be less aggressive here. You know, she should've atleast cussed him out then slapped him (like any other woman would do). But get this, this isn't the first time she kicked someone on their 'privates'. A girl at a bar came up to Avril and said something about punks and poser, (something like, "You're not punk!") So then, as even Avril admits, she "kicked her in the box and shoved her." Yes, she kicked a woman, who will most likley not feel much pain there, anyway. And again she said that she doesn't usually physically hurt people. But what I don't understand is this. When Avril first came out, she said " I'm like the Sid Vicious for the new generation!" and she said "Do you see Britney wearing ties and singin punk? No! That's what I do!" and she said, "I'm a skater punk chick that writes guitar driven rock." and also said "I don't want to be no fake pop shit." OK, if she said all those things, I understand she would be mad and I would have gotten physical about someone who didn't know me, and comes up to me and tells me what I am and what I am not. But get this, later Avril said, "It bugs the hell out of me when people say I'm not punk. I never claimed to be!"
What the fuck? This girl's schizo is worse than I thought! Or she's just a sell-out.
And about the "fake pop shit" later, she described her music as "Rock, pop, alternative. Its' all over the place. It's music with an edge."
OK, you don't want to be no 'fake pop shit' but your write pop music. Believe me, you don't need to tell us your music is bubble gum pop. We already know.
She also said that at first her "managers' wanted her to sing other people's songs. She said that she wanted to write her own songs. Avril said that singing other people's songs meant nothing to her.
How ever she has done covers for Greenday, Guns N' Roses, and Metallica...very badly.
Basket Case by Greenday - She sounds bored and lazy.
Fuel by Metallica- Her band played it great. She actually sang ok too. However she shows now emotions during the whole song. Even the part where she screams and says "Gimme Fuel Gimme Fire Gimme that which I desire." She head bangs a few times, but generally stays in on spot her hands holding the microphone, and her mouth is so close to the mic, she looks as though she's about to eat it. And you can barley even see her mouth becuase of that and her arms in the way. How do we know if she's even singing?
Knockin' On Heaven's Door by Guns N Roses- I played the original song. The chords are F#, B, and Db (D flat). They're pretty hard to play (guitarists know what I mean, you have press down all the strings with one finger...you get right). But she changed it to G7, D, and C. That is alot easier, less hassle on your fingers, and more bearble (the songs is almost 6 min. long) BUt even then, Slash of course is soloing, and doesn't even play it as chords, strumming the guitar, he's playing single strings, one note at a time, but I'm just explaining that F#, B, Db, is the chord progression they're using. Avril's version easier on her fingers and easier on her voice. Not to mention her version of the song is Two and a half minutes long, the original being5 and a half minutes. Please, you facilitate the song, you remove the drums (she's only using acoustic guitar) and you don't even play the whole song.
Not only is a hypocritical liar, she's a bad one!
She said she thought gloss and glamour was fake, she said Britney is a slut, a whore, a showgirl, and a hoecake. She said "What the hell is Christina Aguilera tyring to do? Beat Britney at being the sluttiest of all time? I mean how many STD's does she have? Who goes around telling everyone about their pussy ring?"
Yeah Christina Aguilera is such an easy whore that's why she's married.
In fact Britney is so slutty, that she was in the Mickey Mouse club when she was a teen.
That was sarcasm in case you hadn't noticed.
She said all that about Britney being a whore, not liking gloss and gamour, and she also said that she wasn't going to wear anything that would show off "booty, belly or boobs".
But she's been doing a lot of modeling, and she wears make-up. Not just like everyone else, but she wears alot of it. Look at her pictures where she has no make-up.
Look I'm not on Britney's side or Avril's or Christina (though X-tina can hit more notes in her sleep than Avril can with new auido technology.) but on any given day, I would rather hear about X-tina's pussy ring, Britney's suicidal episodes, than hear about another one of Avril's so-called, "tOtAlY pUnX rAwK" songs.
One time at an Anti-Avril site, someone who didn't like Avril, and also didn't like Good Charlotte wrote something bad about them and somehow (I don't remember exactly) They mentioned that they smoked.
an Avril fan responded, "Smoking is bad for your teeth. Not to mention your health."
another said, "you smoke come on now!u r slowly committing suicide."
Ok let me translate that, cuase I've slowly learned how to speak Stupid from Avril fans.
"You smoke? Come on now, you are slowly comitting suicide."
Some of her other fans have also mentioned that they don't like to smoke or drink or act like a slut.
You know Avril wrote a song, where she talks about her morals and the song says, "Don't think that your charm and the fact that your arm is now around my neck, Will get you in my pants I'll have to kick your ass and make you never forget, I'm gonna ask you to stop, thought I liked you a lot, but I'm really upset, Get out of my head get off of my bed yeah thats what I said, Did I not tell you that I'm not like that girl, the one who, throws it all away"
But Avril smokes, and drinks, flips people off, and I even own a picture (as proof!) where she's flashing her tits. She wearing a bra though, and in another she's...I'll say, "groping" herself, or rather just "holding" her, um, bosoms. And in her new video "Girlfriend" she's a wearing a short short skirt with fishnets, and then booty shorts with fishnets, and she "bumping and grinding" with some guy in the bathroom. So I guess she will give it all away, even when married.
So most or some, her fans don't like to do things, don't condone these actions.
Yet Avril does all of them.

Oh, but who am I to question the logic of an Avril fan?!

Case fucking closed.